Comments on: A Row of Foundations http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/a-row-of-foundations/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:54:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Joe Outinen http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/a-row-of-foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-8624 Joe Outinen Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:50:38 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/14/a-row-of-foundations/#comment-8624 Thanks for the correction, I'll take a look when I go up to visit relatives in allouez in july Thanks for the correction, I’ll take a look when I go up to visit relatives in allouez in july

]]> By: dcclark http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/a-row-of-foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-8291 dcclark Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:41:11 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/14/a-row-of-foundations/#comment-8291 Joe -- if you stop by the south side of the highway at that location (just outside of Mohawk), you can find the shaft caps. They're near, but not on, the highway. Joe — if you stop by the south side of the highway at that location (just outside of Mohawk), you can find the shaft caps. They’re near, but not on, the highway.

]]> By: Gordy http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/a-row-of-foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-8264 Gordy Mon, 27 Dec 2010 04:20:49 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/14/a-row-of-foundations/#comment-8264 Actually the highway goes between the hoist and the old shaft Actually the highway goes between the hoist and the old shaft

]]> By: Joe Outinen http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/a-row-of-foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-8260 Joe Outinen Mon, 27 Dec 2010 01:16:49 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/14/a-row-of-foundations/#comment-8260 I did some calculations, and found out that the shaft of the picture at the top is covered now by the highway. I did some calculations, and found out that the shaft of the picture at the top is covered now by the highway.

]]> By: The Hoist in the Swamp http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/a-row-of-foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-1154 The Hoist in the Swamp Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:27:44 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/14/a-row-of-foundations/#comment-1154 [...] would combine them into one building. (We’ve also seen this type of set up over at the Ahmeek and [...] [...] would combine them into one building. (We’ve also seen this type of set up over at the Ahmeek and [...]

]]> By: Gordy Schmitt http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/a-row-of-foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-1153 Gordy Schmitt Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:40:57 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/14/a-row-of-foundations/#comment-1153 I had thought about them keeping it underground, but thought the amount of rock being removed would be to much. And just the thought of moving it underground, yikes, it would seem to be such a hassle. But the cost savings to keep it there rather than raising it would make sense. Just funny to realize after all this time and looking at the old photos that there were no rock piles there. I don't mind reading your "to much info", its nice to have someone thats still mining to be able to answer some of this stuff. I had thought about them keeping it underground, but thought the amount of rock being removed would be to much. And just the thought of moving it underground, yikes, it would seem to be such a hassle. But the cost savings to keep it there rather than raising it would make sense.
Just funny to realize after all this time and looking at the old photos that there were no rock piles there.
I don’t mind reading your “to much info”, its nice to have someone thats still mining to be able to answer some of this stuff.

]]> By: Joe Dase http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/a-row-of-foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-1152 Joe Dase Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:22:40 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/14/a-row-of-foundations/#comment-1152 Gordy, By 1905 the C&H mine was well developed so much of the rock waste generated was simply dumped in stopes underground, remember it costs money to hoist waste! Its something we do even today, and is one of the things I am working on at the moment, if I create extra waste development, where do I put waste rock without hauling it up (which today is much more costly than the days of old where it was simply dumped on the ground)? Also C&H put as much development in ore as possible, shafts were sunk in the lode, and drifts were driven in it as well. Given that most of the development rock would be sent to the mill for processing. Another trick we still use today at some of the REALLY big underground mines I worked on is to use your ore stream to take care of waste rock, if you produce say in one of the underground mines I worked on 160,000 tonnes of ore per day, 2,000 tonnes of waste per day isn't going to make a big difference. At Tamerack the shafts had to be sunk through a large region of barren ground to get to the Calumet conglomerate. In adition to the shafts you have development in that waste rock like pumping stations, etc. That would account for their rock. Osceola was a pretty spotty lode, so that would account for their waste as well. Probably too much information! Cheers Joe Gordy,
By 1905 the C&H mine was well developed so much of the rock waste generated was simply dumped in stopes underground, remember it costs money to hoist waste! Its something we do even today, and is one of the things I am working on at the moment, if I create extra waste development, where do I put waste rock without hauling it up (which today is much more costly than the days of old where it was simply dumped on the ground)?

Also C&H put as much development in ore as possible, shafts were sunk in the lode, and drifts were driven in it as well. Given that most of the development rock would be sent to the mill for processing. Another trick we still use today at some of the REALLY big underground mines I worked on is to use your ore stream to take care of waste rock, if you produce say in one of the underground mines I worked on 160,000 tonnes of ore per day, 2,000 tonnes of waste per day isn’t going to make a big difference.

At Tamerack the shafts had to be sunk through a large region of barren ground to get to the Calumet conglomerate. In adition to the shafts you have development in that waste rock like pumping stations, etc. That would account for their rock. Osceola was a pretty spotty lode, so that would account for their waste as well.

Probably too much information!

Cheers
Joe

]]> By: Gordy Schmitt http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/a-row-of-foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-1151 Gordy Schmitt Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:28:46 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/14/a-row-of-foundations/#comment-1151 After I wrote the above messages, I went to the Copper Country Reflections site, he has a couple panoramic views of the Calumet area, one from Swedetown. It shows everything from Calumet down through Osceola. There is not a rock pile in sight, anywhere. Even the one I linked from the high altitude photo. The photos were from around 1905. If they were prisoners digging escape tunnels, I'd want to be their friend, how they hid the stuff is something else. Yet if you look at Tamaracks or Osceola mines, piles of rock all over the place. After I wrote the above messages, I went to the Copper Country Reflections site, he has a couple panoramic views of the Calumet area, one from Swedetown. It shows everything from Calumet down through Osceola. There is not a rock pile in sight, anywhere. Even the one I linked from the high altitude photo. The photos were from around 1905. If they were prisoners digging escape tunnels, I’d want to be their friend, how they hid the stuff is something else.
Yet if you look at Tamaracks or Osceola mines, piles of rock all over the place.

]]> By: Gordy Schmitt http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/a-row-of-foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-1150 Gordy Schmitt Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:52:55 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/14/a-row-of-foundations/#comment-1150 The C&H poor rock was parallel to the road that goes north-south in front Swedetown. It disappeared not to many years ago. Of course crushed for use as road gravel and whatever else. It was one big pile, I think alot of swamp was filled in. http://terraserver-usa.com/usgsentry.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=16&X=1945&Y=26158&W=3&qs=%7ccalumet%7cmi%7c Don't know if that link will work from Terraserver. Moyle I believe crushed and hauled most of it, it was a huge pile, we used to tobaggan off of it along with the pile next to Osceola #13, which is for the most part gone also. Still, you wonder what did happen to it all, even that big of a pile would be a drop in the bucket I would think. And now that I think about it, all those photos along Mine Street, you never see any piles nearby. How did they get rid of it from the shaft. The C&H poor rock was parallel to the road that goes north-south in front Swedetown. It disappeared not to many years ago. Of course crushed for use as road gravel and whatever else. It was one big pile, I think alot of swamp was filled in.
http://terraserver-usa.com/usgsentry.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=16&X=1945&Y=26158&W=3&qs=%7ccalumet%7cmi%7c
Don’t know if that link will work from Terraserver. Moyle I believe crushed and hauled most of it, it was a huge pile, we used to tobaggan off of it along with the pile next to Osceola #13, which is for the most part gone also. Still, you wonder what did happen to it all, even that big of a pile would be a drop in the bucket I would think. And now that I think about it, all those photos along Mine Street, you never see any piles nearby. How did they get rid of it from the shaft.

]]> By: explorer http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/a-row-of-foundations/comment-page-1/#comment-1149 explorer Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:38:03 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/03/14/a-row-of-foundations/#comment-1149 You know, now that I think of it more carefully, I do believe that the one ruin I know is a hoist is definitely pointed the wrong way. The hoist drum opening is on the wrong side - its pointed out towards the No.1 NOT the no.2. So one of those other foundations MUST of been for another hoist. Mark L... I thought the same thing about those piles for the No.3/No.4 - they look so large in that old photo but almost nothing is left of them now. But what I thought was always more interesting was what happened to all the poor rock piles from the Calumet and Hecla Mines? More than a dozen shafts around Calumet and almost nothing left today. Odd... Glad your enjoying the site Mark! You know, now that I think of it more carefully, I do believe that the one ruin I know is a hoist is definitely pointed the wrong way. The hoist drum opening is on the wrong side – its pointed out towards the No.1 NOT the no.2. So one of those other foundations MUST of been for another hoist.

Mark L…

I thought the same thing about those piles for the No.3/No.4 – they look so large in that old photo but almost nothing is left of them now. But what I thought was always more interesting was what happened to all the poor rock piles from the Calumet and Hecla Mines? More than a dozen shafts around Calumet and almost nothing left today. Odd…

Glad your enjoying the site Mark!

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